New forum about Google pagerank?

[imbrod]

Dear Admin!
Maybe it would be useful to start a new forum about all the tricks to increase search engines ranking of a site, especially Google pagerank...

There are many tips and tricks that I used (in vain!) - I even tried AdWords, so maybe someone could post experience with some other paying providers that promise 'top 10 rank in Google' or something...

[purpleindia]

I would also be very interested in hearing these tips please.

[flyer]

The main thing you need to know about PageRank is that it is an almost completely worthless diversion. The value you see in the toolbar is not the true value, & PR doesn't correlate very well to how a page actually ranks in the listings.

In fact, I recently saw a quote which said there's no evidence that PR has EVER been used in the ranking formula.

[imbrod]

I agree, I just mentioned PR because it seems to mean so much to people...

Number of unique visits is what I'm interested in; my PR can remain 0 if you ask me...

But there is one thing: since my site All Hosting Guide has been rejected by Adsense, maybe Adsense considers PR in deciding which site will have green light to put the ads?

[ensode]

I agree, I just mentioned PR because it seems to mean so much to people...

Number of unique visits is what I'm interested in; my PR can remain 0 if you ask me...

But there is one thing: since my site www.all-hosting-guide.com has been rejected by Adsense, maybe Adsense considers PR in deciding which site will have green light to put the ads?

My site (new, only being in operation for a little over two weeks) has a very low pagerank, but Google didn't reject it, therefore I don't think they take pagerank into consideration.

Ensode

[flyer]

PR can't be a factor in Adsense acceptance, since it takes a few months for any PR to show up. That would be a great way to weed out many people.

If you agree that PR is pretty much useless, why propose a forum to discuss it?

[imbrod]

PR can't be a factor in Adsense acceptance, since it takes a few months for any PR to show up. That would be a great way to weed out many people.

If you agree that PR is pretty much useless, why propose a forum to discuss it?

I'm not talking about PR only. I'm proposing the forum about internet marketing, increasing your search engine ranking and increasing the number of unique visits; that kind of stuff.

[Matthew]

See, the hard thing here is that there is no proof one way or another about if Pagerank actually does make a difference. Some "studies" show that it doesn't, while others show that it does. Since Google won't tell us exactly how they calculate rankings, it is difficult to say how important Pagerank really is.

What I have learned is that you should concentrate on increasing your PageRank only because that means you are doing link building. In the end I'm not sure if raising my PR from 5 to 6 will make a difference for search engine rankings, but it will mean that I will have a lot more sites linking to my site, and that is important.

[Bobette Kyle]

The main thing you need to know about PageRank is that it is an almost completely worthless diversion. The value you see in the toolbar is not the true value, & PR doesn't correlate very well to how a page actually ranks in the listings. :D thumbs up.
I'm proposing the forum about internet marketing, increasing your search engine ranking and increasing the number of unique visits; that kind of stuff. There are many forums like this (try highrankings.com/forum or subscribe to searchenginewatch.com newsletter, which consolidates all the new search engine articles/news/relevant forum threads). My guess is that here they would rather stay more focused on what makes this forum unique - the only one (AFAIK) that discusses in-depth AdSense strategies.

[ashish]

Like in sites, forums too need to have a USP or their niche.

Exclusive Adsense is what makes this forum unique, and of course in a lighter moment I might be inclined to argue that since I bought my car from the adsense income, let's start a forum to discuss how to increase mileage!

hehe....

[imbrod]

There are many forums like this (try highrankings.com/forum or subscribe to searchenginewatch.com newsletter, which consolidates all the new search engine articles/news/relevant forum threads). My guess is that here they would rather stay more focused on what makes this forum unique - the only one (AFAIK) that discusses in-depth AdSense strategies.

But this one should be specific. Why?
Because we have to think about bringing visitors to our sites, while in the same time compy with Adsense TOS. For example: reciprocal links are good way to increase traffic, but some people claim that Adsense don't like it...

So we should have forum about increasing traffic and positioning in Google in context of obeying the Adsense rules.

[MickC]

So we should have forum about increasing traffic and positioning in Google in context of obeying the Adsense rules.

I think that makes perfect sense. The more I keep hearing that Google doesn't like reciprocal linking the less inclined that I am to spend a few hours trying to find link partners. But that gets me back to the question of how to get more eyeballs at my site.

It seems to be a lot like finding work: you have to have experience to get a job, but unless you get a job you can't get the experience it takes to find work.

[spiff1971]

Google has no problems with reciprocal links. Its algorithm is based on links from one site to another, and how it feels that its a vote for that site.

That said, to stop people from getting recip links from EVERYONE, they place a value on the recip link. Keeping a relevant recip link exchange policy is key. If you run a site about web design, having links to and from a site about Golf or SpongeBob Square Pants will not help you. Further, having links from what amounts to link farms (if you have more than 20-30 links on any links page, you have a link farm), is not helpful to you.

Think of it this way. If you have a PR5, and you have 1 outgoing link. That link will receive a share of that PR5. If there are 30 outgoing links, those 30 outbound links get a share (albeit, a much smaller share).

Google doesnt like link farms. If you want to get penalized, thats a good way.

If you want to increase traffic, get quality inbound links.

If you really want to increase traffic, create content, and submit it to ezines. The trick is in the bio. Instead of linking directly to your home page, link to different sections of your site.

For example:

My site provides great FOREX KEYWORD (http://www.sitename.com/forex.asp) - this would point to http://www.sitename.com/forex.asp

another article...

My site provides great Dividend KEYWORD (http://www.sitename.com/dividends.asp) - this would point to http://www.sitename.com/dividend.asp

It will help improve your score for your particular keyword. The more sites that point to my site, with that particular keyword, will help to improve the number of visitors to my sites. I've been using this technique for a bit now, and it has improved my search engine ranking for various keywords.

PR is a nice visual, but it means nothing. Type in any keyword, and compare the PR of the top 10. You'll see that the sites are not in order of PR. They are in order of relevance to that keyword.

Just my 2 cents

spiff

[kjcdude]

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[imbrod]

If you really want to increase traffic, create content, and submit it to ezines.

Which ones do you recommend? I mean, which ones accept submission of an article? I have few articles about web development...

[spiff1971]

Well, I'm cheating and using a product called ArticleAnnouncer (www.articleannouncer.com). Their product is not cheap, however, it helps to submit the articles to over 50 ezines as well as other sources.

There is some great tips on the audio as well.

Here are a couple that you can use that I like if you want to submit them by hand:

www.go-ezines.com
www.ezinearticles.com
www.articlecity.com

there are tons out there. valuecontent.com is another off the top of my head.

Submit your content to them. If people like it, they will post it on their own site.

spiff

[imbrod]

Thanx!

As the matter a fact, I used couple of them from Ezinearticles and Articlecity (those are the ones that Joel recommends)