SEO and keywords please help a newbie in need

[Alexander90292]

This is my first post to this site.

My question is about

Keyword research for VRE sites. :confused:

I am so new but I understand the basics.

I made a 'directory generator site'
based on a really popular keyword
and the best it ranked was number 50 on yahoo.

http://www.mattress-directory.com

I think its much lower now.

But thats ok I'm learning,
I just wont do it just like that again.

I have this concern that if I am not
on the first page my site wont be seen

I am creating content for my sites
and I am wondering what key words
i should be using

Should I just make content
based on popular keywords
the ones searched for each month?

(which are all very competitive for high rankings) :mad:

or should I be using a service like wordtracker
to find out different terms that are less competitive
and build sites around that.

Or should I just hire some one
from elance to SEO my site?

Any feed back is appreciated more than words
can express as I am kinda hung up on this.

-Alexander :confused:

[scottparat]

Alexander,

I always freaked out when people started talking about search engine optimization, SEO, black hat, white hat, inbound links......it all seemed like so much to try and figure out.

I signed up for an email course from Brad Fallen on search engine optimization and it was fantastic. It really helped me with the basics and some of the more advanced techniques. He turned the course into an ebook, "SEO Made Easy", its 90 pages long, just pure content and will help anyone get a better handle on the basics and move you into some of the advanced techniques if you're interested. I'm giving the book away, just go to http://www.Desktop-Wealth.com/land/seo-book.htm

He does have a product in the book that he promotes, but he's really shy in promoting it, very refreshing!

I can't say enough good things about this book and you can't beat the price :)

Hope this helps a little,

Scott

[Sam Freedom]

Alexander, in response to your request,
have a look at this product:

Dominate the Web for ANY Keyword w/SEO Miracle Tool!! (http://www.sam-freedom.com/f/totaldomination.htm)

If you have any questions or concerns
about the product, please post them here
and I will answer them. I not only have
Top Rankings in several keywords, but my
friend and partner has some VERY VERY
high rankings for highly sought terms.

See his (Lamar Owens) testimonial on that site.

Sam

[Alexander90292]

Ok if I dont have to hire an SEO thats
a bit of relief.

I probbaly will give this software a shot,
but all it does is blog and ping?
and post to other blogs?

I already have a blog and ping software
(the thing that got me in at spot 50)

but the concept of posting to other blogs is
fascinating, except wont it look
like blog spam if I am just posting some
random generic message to the similar blogs?

-Alexander

[Keith H]

Dominate the Web for ANY Keyword w/SEO Miracle Tool!!

If you have any questions or concerns
about the product, please post them here
and I will answer them. I not only have
Top Rankings in several keywords, but my
friend and partner has some VERY VERY
high rankings for highly sought terms.

Sam,

I just clicked your link and checked out Blog Submitter Pro — I've got a question.

I saw the example of the under construction site that was ranking number 1 on Yahoo for the phrase "cat furniture". I was skeptical so I checked the backlinks on that site (www.catfurniturediscounters.com) and it does indeed have a lot of backlinks. But, it looks to me like none of the links are coming from blogs.

I then checked the Internet Archive Wayback Machine and I found that the site has been online since March 25, 2004.
Check it out here — http://web.archive.org/web/*/catfurniturediscounters.com

And the site was at one time very actively exchanging links with other pet sites. And at the time that I'm writing this www.catfurniturediscounters.com has about 271 pages listed in Yahoo despite the fact that this "new site" is under construction.

It looks to me like catfurniturediscounters.com's #1 ranking has nothing to do with Blog Submitter Pro.

Am I wrong?

Keith

P.S. - The website doesn't guarantee that Blog Submitter Pro will improve your site's rankings. It only guarantees that it will work on a Windows operating system. Here is the actual quote:

"Plus To Make Your Purchase Completely Risk-FREE you get my absolute guarantee that this software will work perfectly on your windows based computer!... You've got nothing to lose."

What kind of a guarantee is that? :confused:

[Portlandia]

LOL - Nice bit of detective work there Keith H, thanks!

I came across the sales page for that software a couple of weeks ago and was pretty impressed at the time. The theory behind the strategy has some validity (although it is spam), but what you've discovered about the example sites history is disturbing. If true, then their claims are clearly deceptive.

It is also interesting (and telling) that Sam hasn't been back in nearly three weeks to answer "any questions or concerns about the product" like he so generously offered.

I have now scratched that one off my wish list :D

[Sam Freedom]

"LOL - Nice bit of detective work there Keith H, thanks!"

Not really. That's been brought up so many times it's old news by now.

"I came across the sales page for that software a couple of weeks ago and was pretty impressed at the time. The theory behind the strategy has some validity (although it is spam)",

You couldn't be more mistaken, but your conclusion is understandable considering average minds always stop short of what it takes to find the real answers.

Spam implies unsolicited bulk (email) anything. Whereas blogs are soliciting comments and are easily available as if they were chalkboards flapping in the wind at the town square. Those who are aware of the realities of having a public chalkboard soliciting comments from the whole world use the 3 condoms given to them by Blogger. Blogger will not put your condom on your blog for you.

Since BSP (and soon the stealth upgrade) simulate human behaviour, they are not slamming blogs with 1000s of comments per second. So there's no bulk involved. All it's done is taken what most people used to do by hand - hand submissions that feigned conversation just to gain links - and automated it.

"but what you've discovered about the example sites history is disturbing. If true, then their claims are clearly deceptive."

Clearly to your mind which seems average to me. I don't care for your bogus claims that masquerade as genuine inquiry - they're lazy. The program works, all the user testimonials with screenshots show it. My examples given on this board show it, unless somehow I'm way better than SEO experts Brad Fallon and Brad Callen, or maybe I successfully tempted Yahoo's CEO with 1/100,000th of his yearly salary to rig the results.

"It is also interesting (and telling) that Sam hasn't been back in nearly three weeks to answer "any questions or concerns about the product" like he so generously offered."

It's not telling. That comment is plain stupid. And while small minds think alike and the first guy to call anyone stupid is the one the righteous condemn, it's just true. You can wonder where I've been, but the moment you infer that my absence is "telling" is the moment you're making false accusations. But i'm used to this small-mindedness. It's rampant, and it's why folks like you never realize success because your conclusions have nothing to do with reality and more to do with mean-spiritedness.

I've never maligned a soul on this board. Nor have I posted any false claims, so if you're jealous of my extroverted marketing methods, or have some other stone in your shoe you'd like to talk about, then pm, but don't bs the everday hardworking guy or gal with rubbish about my absence being telling.

If you weren't so lazy, you'd have emailed me, or pm'd me. Or done anything but make a wrong conclusion that is quite "telling" about you.

"I have now scratched that one off my wish list :D"

Thank you. Our target market are ambitious people with positive attitudes.

Now, I'm off to answer Keith's question.

Sam

[Sam Freedom]

Ok if I dont have to hire an SEO thats
a bit of relief.

That's up to you. This software has given me,
and others, excellent results.

I probbaly will give this software a shot,
but all it does is blog and ping?
and post to other blogs?

No blog and ping which is creating ones own blog
and then posting to it and pinging. This, as you
say, automates the task of hand-submitting
comments to blogs for backlinks. Some people
have issues with it, but that's been addressed.
Blogger gives people 3 ways to prevent automated
comments.

but the concept of posting to other blogs is
fascinating, except wont it look
like blog spam if I am just posting some
random generic message to the similar blogs?

The first version to come out was simply awesome.
But like anything, it was a proto-type. All owners of
BSP will get the stealth upgrade for FREE when it
comes out. It will post blended comments to relevant
blogs. I hope that answers your questions, my friend.

Thanks for the SINCERE post. Others could learn a thing
or two from you.

Sincerely,
Sam

[Sam Freedom]

Sam,

I just clicked your link and checked out Blog Submitter Pro — I've got a question.

And gladly, I've got answers. ;)

(some cutting) It looks to me like catfurniturediscounters.com's #1 ranking has nothing to do with Blog Submitter Pro.

Am I wrong? Keith

Yes, but not entirely. It's just not quite the same thing as your wife finding lipstick on your collar. ;) I'm not going to fake a limp here - I'm probably 10 times better than the best when it comes to sniffing out a load of bs, AND of finding glitches like that. So I know about that ALL TOO WELL.

Before I started putting some of my weight behind BSP, I wrote to the author about this and because I asked in a non-threatening way, she was very forthcoming with me. She said that her cat furniture site already had a high rank at something like #4 in Yahoo. It was only after she started using it in tests with BSP that it rose to the #1 position. Now I used to think like all of these "investigative reporter mindsets" that you see acting like internet champions where one inconsistency all-too-easily leads to reams and reams of pure conjecture. But I managed to somehow reach a point in my life where my sixth sense kicked in. And here's what I reasoned out next...

Both I, and a partner, were going to try it. Period. That would be our proof, not ad copy or sales pages. What if, in a proud zeal to get a great discovery out to the masses, the author, intuitively knowing that bsp brought her cat site from #4 to #1 but having no proof in print, wanted to proudly list it anyways? I understand that is, in principle, misleading. But if it's true, even though we can't prove it on paper, it's still true.

So I always say screw to the ad copy and take advantage of the guarantee to test things out. My results against top SEO experts Brad Fallon and Brad Callen (where I have NO SEO experience at all) were astonishing to some people. How did an SEO know-nothing get #1 in Yahoo for a term for which top internet marketers and SEO experts were all trying to get bragging rights?

I've heard pitifully small minded arguments that noone is searching for that term. Do you see what we have to deal with?! It wasn't about making money with that term, but of competing with top experts for it and I steadily moved up the top 10 for 2 weeks and now dance between #1 and #2:

Here's a Screenshot (http://www.sam-freedom.com/f/coolest-guy-1-1234.jpg)

My partner took about a half dozen terms related to his site that weren't even top 1000 and not only did he place a few quickly into the top 10, but he got a lot of incidental top 20 and top 30 which he didn't even try for because of the increase in spider activity and the various permutations of the original keywords. His screenshots are within his testimonials on the site. I wonder why you stopped short at the cat furniture site discrepency which was admittedly ill-placed (yet with a valid reason behind it,) but you didn't mention anything about the screenshots with the testimonials. Do you understand why such "investigating" like that is completely lopsided?

P.S. - The website doesn't guarantee that Blog Submitter Pro will improve your site's rankings. It only guarantees that it will work on a Windows operating system. Here is the actual quote:

"Plus To Make Your Purchase Completely Risk-FREE you get my absolute guarantee that this software will work perfectly on your windows based computer!... You've got nothing to lose."

What kind of a guarantee is that? :confused:

Well, let me put it this way. You can continue going to forums and giving only half the story and painting an unfriendly, lopsided, unfair portrait. Or, like me, you could offer to test and assist. For instance, you could volunteer the same amount of time it took you to post your comment and instead simply re-write the awkward portion and send it to the author with a note saying, "I think your guarantee is a bit awkward, you might want to use this instead. In fact, I strongly suggest it."

You might even be surprised with a friendship that could lead to some lucrative opportunities. I agree her ad copy needs some reworking, but as you and others say out of the OTHER corner of your mouths, "The proof is in the pudding." You can point out all the blemishes until your inner prosecutorial staff is satisfied, or you can roll your sleeves up, get your hands dirty, and come out the other side something more along the lines of an experienced commentator - an authority even.

Thanks for your questions. I most value their sincerity.
And again, sorry I didn't get to this in a timely manner, but
this isn't where I usually pick up my mail. :cool:

Sincerely,
Sam

[MickC]

Spam implies unsolicited bulk (email) anything.
Absolutely true. I am an expert in the spam field. The company that I run offers consulting services for attorneys on Internet issues -- especially on spam issues. I have even been a "hired gun" on several cases.

And here Sam is absolutely right. The term "spam" implies something that is unsolicited in nature and sent out in bulk.

And then Sam stops being right, to wit:
Whereas blogs are soliciting comments and are easily available as if they were chalkboards flapping in the wind at the town square.
Now I have my own blog and deal with a wide variety of topics there (including spam and Internet abuse). By creating my blog I do solicit comments -- specifically comments which are directly related to post at hand. I have been having a good time lately with people using the comments on my blog to track a 4-1-9 scam capitalizing on the good name of the late Sir Denis Thatcher (http://mickc.whizardries.com/blog/archives/2005/06/06/its-unfortunate/).

But, by creating my blog I have not opened the door to any comment that someone's automated software wants to post sight-unseen. And I get a lot of it. Enough that I've even outlined some of my strategies in another thread (http://www.adsensechat.com/showthread.php?t=601) in hopes that I can help others rid themselves of their spam problems.

To say that I opened the door by creating a blog is like saying that I want to get spam email because I have an email address -- something that I've had some pretty notorious email spammers tell me. It wasn't true with regard to my email account and it isn't any more true with my blog.

[Sam Freedom]

To say that I opened the door by creating a blog is like saying that I want to get spam email because I have an email address -- something that I've had some pretty notorious email spammers tell me. It wasn't true with regard to my email account and it isn't any more true with my blog.

I don't agree with that email example either, but blogs are different. It's not a matter of what your intention is, but the blog isn't your property. And your email is not flapping in the breeze 24/7 as a public tool for people to express their opinions night and day.

You wanna get intimate with the public, suit up. And blogger gives you 3 ways to suit up. Otherwise, you can spend your life on meds blaming the virus.

Sam

[haakonu]

To say that I opened the door by creating a blog is like saying that I want to get spam email because I have an email address -- something that I've had some pretty notorious email spammers tell me. It wasn't true with regard to my email account and it isn't any more true with my blog.

I don't agree with that email example either, but blogs are different. It's not a matter of what your intention is, but the blog isn't your property. And your email is not flapping in the breeze 24/7 as a public tool for people to express their opinions night and day.

You wanna get intimate with the public, suit up. And blogger gives you 3 ways to suit up. Otherwise, you can spend your life on meds blaming the virus.

Sam

You know, Sam? You are spouting so much crap it irritates the hell out of me. On my blogs I invite comments, sure. I invite comments from real people that regards the subject of my blog. I do NOT ask for - or condone - automated submission BS-programs that attempt to fill my blos with "Texas Holdem Poker" or "See my #%¤-covered face" only to take advantage of my PR3 or PR4-sites.

Whatever you say, it is spam. And if you happen to spam one of my sites, I will do what I do with all the others: visit them, report them through their Adsense, tell their ISP and watch them go down.

Now, I am certain you will continue to spout even more crap, such as this:
Since BSP (and soon the stealth upgrade) simulate human behaviour, they are not slamming blogs with 1000s of comments per second. So there's no bulk involved. All it's done is taken what most people used to do by hand - hand submissions that feigned conversation just to gain links - and automated it.
No bulk involved? You must be making a LOT of money to write such nonsense. This BS-program sends out comments that have NOTHING to do with the subject of the blog - and it is not bulk? Please tell me, what is the difference between BSP and an email spamming program - except for the obvious fact of targets?

Do you really think that the good people of this fall for your repeated ads for BSP? I think you should consider promoting another program.

[Sam Freedom]

(QUOTE=haakonu) You know, Sam? You are spouting so much crap it irritates the hell out of me. On my blogs I invite comments, sure. I invite comments from real people that regards the subject of my blog. I do NOT ask for - or condone - automated submission BS-programs that attempt to fill my blos with "Texas Holdem Poker" or "See my #%¤-covered face" only to take advantage of my PR3 or PR4-sites.

Whatever you say, it is spam. And if you happen to spam one of my sites, I will do what I do with all the others: visit them, report them through their Adsense, tell their ISP and watch them go down.

Now, I am certain you will continue to spout even more crap, such as this:
Since BSP (and soon the stealth upgrade) simulate human behaviour, they are not slamming blogs with 1000s of comments per second. So there's no bulk involved. All it's done is taken what most people used to do by hand - hand submissions that feigned conversation just to gain links - and automated it.
No bulk involved? You must be making a LOT of money to write such nonsense. This BS-program sends out comments that have NOTHING to do with the subject of the blog - and it is not bulk? Please tell me, what is the difference between BSP and an email spamming program - except for the obvious fact of targets?

Do you really think that the good people of this fall for your repeated ads for BSP? I think you should consider promoting another program.

Dear Haakonu,

Noone has fallen for anything except you. You imagine that there are good people and bad people, black and white. To me, there's just a bunch of people who are tired of being led around by their noses from some barely 20yr old that got a lucky break and attained some internet status.

These people just want a break. They want something that WORKS. So, being big boys and girls, they make a decision to try a little grey hat on for size, to see how it fits, and lo and behold...they get search engine rankings. And what's more is, there's no footprint left, so they can't be penalized for them. Wow, something that REEEEEEEALLY works!

Now, agreed, there is a problem with Texas Hold em and Viagra type ads, but my friend, those are not from BSP. Perhaps some are, but those were going around LONG before BSP came about because, unbeknownst to your little angry mind, there are dozens of pure black hat apps that spam blogs without any consideration or concern whatsoever. Those are the ones you have issue with.

Too bad you can't give credit where it's due in your black or white world. BSP was simiply the prototype to vSearch which should be out in a week or so. YOU SHOULD BE ECSTATIC because all BSP users have to take the upgrade mandatorily as their BSPs are being shut off en masse, and they get the upgrade for FREE. See THE VSEARCH UPDATE (http://www.the-vsearch-update.com).

vSearch will only post BLENDED comments to RELEVANT blogs. So you will NEVER have an issue with vSearch but your big problem stems from the fact that you have no recourse with the real trouble makers who remain invisible so you try to get a little relief arguing with me over a product that is designed to thoughtfully help people do what they were already doing or thinking about doing.

So, amigo, if you don't like....you have a couple things you can do to be more responsible - you can install captcha, say no to anonymous comments, implement membership or remove commenting altogether. Otherwise, expect relevant blended comments from vSearch which will most likely be better than any of the comments you get already.

Thanks for misguiding the public, Konahuna,
Sam

[haakonu]

My replies in bold.
Noone has fallen for anything except you. You imagine that there are good people and bad people, black and white. To me, there's just a bunch of people who are tired of being led around by their noses from some barely 20yr old that got a lucky break and attained some internet status.
I have no idea where you found out that I "imagine that there are good people and bad people, black and white". There are all shades, but I know bad when I see it. And BSP is spamming, and spamming is bad.

These people just want a break. They want something that WORKS. So, being big boys and girls, they make a decision to try a little grey hat on for size, to see how it fits, and lo and behold...they get search engine rankings. And what's more is, there's no footprint left, so they can't be penalized for them. Wow, something that REEEEEEEALLY works!
Grey hat? Call it by its real term: black hat. No footprint? As soon as you spam a blog with your link, you have left a BIG footprint!

Now, agreed, there is a problem with Texas Hold em and Viagra type ads, but my friend, those are not from BSP. Perhaps some are, but those were going around LONG before BSP came about because, unbeknownst to your little angry mind, there are dozens of pure black hat apps that spam blogs without any consideration or concern whatsoever. Those are the ones you have issue with.
Ah. Viagra-spam existed before BPS did, some people use BSP to spam blogs with Viagra-ads, but since such spam was around before BSP, it is OK? And the blackhat-programs, such as PR-Storm, spam "without any consideration or concern"? So, when people use BSP to spam with Viagra and Texas Hold'em, it is with consideration and concern? Jeez...your logic does need some serious work!

Too bad you can't give credit where it's due in your black or white world. BSP was simiply the prototype to vSearch which should be out in a week or so. YOU SHOULD BE ECSTATIC because all BSP users have to take the upgrade mandatorily as their BSPs are being shut off en masse, and they get the upgrade for FREE. See THE VSEARCH UPDATE (http://www.the-vsearch-update.com).
Ah. Because the Spam-program is replaced with a "ethical" program, I should refrain from being critical? I should give credit to something I have never heard about? And I am certain it is impossible to use this program to spam. Yeah, right.

vSearch will only post BLENDED comments to RELEVANT blogs. So you will NEVER have an issue with vSearch but your big problem stems from the fact that you have no recourse with the real trouble makers who remain invisible so you try to get a little relief arguing with me over a product that is designed to thoughtfully help people do what they were already doing or thinking about doing.
I have no recourse with the real troublemakers? How the hell do you know this? You are making so many assumptions it is getting tiresome!

So, amigo, if you don't like....you have a couple things you can do to be more responsible - you can install captcha, say no to anonymous comments, implement membership or remove commenting altogether. Otherwise, expect relevant blended comments from vSearch which will most likely be better than any of the comments you get already.
Yeah, I don't like. I don't like that I have to protect my blogs from garbage created by programs such as the one you sell. I don't like the fact that you, no matter how blended and relevant these comments are, sell a program that makes comments to my blogs without a human having read the posts it comments on. I dislike that you do your best to manipulate and attack when you are criticized.

Thanks for misguiding the public, Konahuna,
Sam
Is that what you call "the pot calling the kettle black"?

I really love this part from the vSearch tutorial. "Grey hat" my a...



Let's just say that you are marketing something that is somewhat controversial and you are an affiliate and don't really want this product tied to you (shame on you... you really shouldn't be selling it)...

Well, in a case such as this, you may choose to only post anonymously so that you retain as much privacy as possible.

If that is what you want to do, then just enter some bogus username/password pair into the system.


Haakon

[MickC]

I don't agree with that email example either, but blogs are different. It's not a matter of what your intention is, but the blog isn't your property.

How, exactly, is it not my property? I own the server it's on, I own the database that the posts and comments are stored in, I pay for the bandwidth that people burn to read it. And, if I get tired of the comment and trackback spam, I can shut the blog down. It sounds to me like I own it.

The fact is, I do own my blog and it is my property. Because of that, I have the right to set up defenses against people who try to abuse my property for their own personal gain.

[Joel Comm]

Let's keep it friendly folks, eh? Spirited debate is fine, but let's try to keep the dialogue on the "classy" end of spirited, k?

Joel